Beyond Sunday: Pleading Prayers
Do we care what we look like or how we are perceived when we pray? We see Abraham and Jesus plead with God without concern of how they appear before Him or to anyone else. We can approach the throne room with desperation, trusting God to hold us fully in His arms.
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Hey guys, welcome to the Beyond Sunday podcast. Uh where we get the opportunity to take a conversation beyond Sunday. Um this week we are on separate screens. It seems like it's been a while. Um summer has lent itself to inerson recordings, but we're we're back on separate screens today. And um also this week is a little different cuz Devin, you um church was different for you guys. You guys were outside this week in a different rhythm and a different space. And so um we'll get to talk about that a little bit. It
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means that um the the messages heard and and given were different, which is kind of cool. We'll see what uh what God's still saying in those spaces. But before we get there, check out this video. Heat. Heat. All right, as we jump back into the conversation, Shay, tell us what was the big idea uh the scripture for this enlarging the circle on this last Sunday. >> Uh yeah, we were talking about pleading prayers. Um and so kind of in that idea of uh as we walk with Jesus, our circles
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get larger. And part of that is through the way that we pray um that we pray for one another specifically with um what we were calling pleading prayers, but as uh in the message on Sunday talking about like prayers of intercession and lament um and and just what that looks like. And so um yeah, those these kind of prayers that are maybe different than what we're used to. >> Yeah. Yeah. And so C3 was um a church in the park. And so we joined in with another congregation, another church,
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and we had a service in the park and and um sang together. Uh we had a couple different missionaries actually that were there. Uh and then we had a barbecue lunch and then we did baptisms in the river uh just down from the park. And so uh the the the missionaries that were there uh one was from Italy who was doing work with refugees who were coming coming into Italy uh from lots of different places but typically across the Mediterranean from different different points um and for different reasons. But um Italy navigating the um
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you know in some in some places a a refugee crisis of uh you know where where do these individuals go? How do we care for them? Um and then another missionary from is doing work in Kenya and that work is um uh raising up and training um Kenyans u or subsaharan a Africans to go into the Middle East. And so that's been a um sort of the um the mission that they what they're there for to train up and raise up these um individuals to go into uh countries, Middle Eastern countries and to share
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the gospel of which he was sharing um you know that that comes with that can come with um you know it can cost you your life. You can be arrested. Um there are these Middle Eastern countries that um you can carry a Bible, you can have a Bible, but you cannot evangelize. That is against the against the law. And so um it's some of the work they're doing in Kenya uh and then sending uh those that they've trained into these different countries. >> Yeah, it's it's a cool opportunity to to
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hear something different and get us get get outside of our normal context in that way. >> Yeah. And so in that way too, we're at the park and so I mean there's are 300 people maybe. >> Um it was hard to really we were kind of um we had the where the the band was and the you know they had the sound system and everything and then we just kind of all spread out away and it just I looked behind and it just seemed to keep going. just waves and waves of people and um so maybe 300 people there and
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>> and even the missionary was talking about the like it's cool that we're out in the open and we're >> uh we're here and we're worshiping God and singing singing hymns and songs and praying um out in public and he goes in places we're sending these individuals um or for the missionary who was there from Italy who's welcoming these refugees and the places they're these individuals are coming from >> right >> that is not something that is taking
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place ever or they haven't seen this would be a very unusual >> or a moment but but he even called out like how great that we get to be in a park and outside and worshiping God and do that freely and um even have the barbecues going and the smell and anyone can come anyone can come and >> and enjoy and one of the things that he did bring up and and also the missionary from from Italy was like the praying for and about the what God is doing and and that that is like a constant piece for
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for them and their ministry of praying for those that they're sending uh praying for them while they're while they're there, but also for those that go to these different uh places and countries, praying um you know, like I said, a pleading prayer, Lord, sustain, provide, um protect in these spaces that we don't necessarily. We may have that in in a in some way, but in most ways not in an everyday sort of I'm not sure about um provision today or I'm not sure about safety today. Uh for the most part
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for us it isn't uh we're not faced with that I suppose in the everyday. >> Yeah. Right. uh there is some similarity because the idea of these prayers um we were looking at this story of Abraham uh and he's having a conversation with God about Sodom and and God's like essentially like hey I'm headed down to this place to see like if it's as bad as I've heard it is like it's gone. I'm going to just demolish the entire thing. Um and there's this like boldness in in
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Abraham and he's not the only one. We talked about Moses too. Moses does the same um thing and others throughout scripture. But this idea of like standing in the gap um it at at the um like there's a cost of like boldness in that because Abraham essentially is like okay God so but but what if there's 50 righteous people and God's like okay fine if there's 50 righteous people I won't destroy the city. And Abraham's like okay so you gave me 50 how about 45? How about 40? How about and um down
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and down right until it's like 10. And and there's this like um almost this audacity to like continually like, okay, God, you said yes to that. How about how about a little more? How about a little more? How about a little more? And it really doesn't impact Abraham at all. Um I not not directly necessarily. He's not praying for himself, for his family. He's praying for a city of people who are a hot mess. Um, and then similarly with Moses, um, and maybe even more so with Moses, it it hits me because in one
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breath, Moses is complaining about the Israelites, like, "God, these people that you've given me, God, that you've put me in charge of that you've you've got me leading, like they're a mess." And then in the next breath, when God's ready to just like wipe them out, Moses is interceding for them. Like, please don't. And and in both cases, the other thing that struck me was in both cases um they're reminding God of his character and his promises. So it's not
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like um like like there's this call out of like remember who you are. Like you what will the other nations think of you if you do this? So there's a recognition of like what you're saying is deserved. Like we're not we're not uh disagreeing with that, but remember what you've promised us and remember who you are. And there's just something really bold like I don't know that I don't know that we pray that way. And in fact, like as I was thinking about that, I was thinking
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like more often we're like gh this world around us is a hot mess. Come Lord Jesus come. Um you know take care of the mess around us. And like what would it look like for me to actually say like I recognize evil and brokenness in this world, but God, remember who you are and remember what you've promised and and um to stand in the gap for people who actually don't deserve that because of of the the brokenness and the evil. Um like that's a different type of praying um >> yes
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>> than I think we we typically um we typically do. And so yeah, we talked a lot about lament and um uh because essentially those intercession intercessory type of prayers, they start with a lament and they come from a space of recognizing like what exists now stands in contrast to what God's design is, his desire, the not yet. It's like in the tension of the now and the not yet. That's where I find a lament. Um and essentially I'm looking what really what that is is me standing in agreement
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with God like, "Hey, yeah, I see the brokenness too. I see it too and it's hard. Um and and it's okay to cry out in that. Um and so those more honest kind of prayers of like this actually really sucks and it doesn't look like what I think you want it to look like and so I'm going to stand in the gap. Um and believe that my prayer has power. So >> yeah. >> Yeah. That's >> well and that reminds me too. So we were in sec um second Kings 5 and it's the
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story of non and Elisha. And so non's got leprosy. Um he's got this um servant slave girl from uh from Israel who's been captured prior from a raid and happens to be a servant uh slave in non's household. And she tells him that there's this prophet of God who's back in Israel who if you go see him, you'll be cured of your of your uh leprosy. So, you know, non sets out and and and he called out even like in this in this idea of this the boldness of this servant girl who had been captured uh on
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a raid previously taken from her home and then like to come to to non and say there is a servant of God, a prophet of God who if you go see him he'll heal you. And then so non sets out and goes and then instead of like what non wanted maybe was well it was like a a welcoming party like look I'm I'm a I'm a significant person but instead Elisha sends out his messengers and this is what he says to him in verse 10 what the messengers say is go wash yourself seven times in the Jordan and your flesh will
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be restored and you will be cleansed. But non went away angry, right? He's like I thought I would surely come out to me and stand and call on the name of the Lord his God. wave his hand over the spot and cure me of my leprosy. Uh but instead he sent his servants and uh you know like just told me to go wash in the water. Couldn't I wash uh in them and be cleansed? And so he turned off and and went away in rage. But then he was encouraged to just to go and he and he does go and wash in the Jordan seven
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times and he's healed. And in doing so he is um he says this in verse 15. Now I know that there is no God in all the world except in Israel. Please accept now a gift from your servant. And this his name in giving Elisha um a gift. But the the idea of that that >> um the healing the way it takes place uh in the way that non didn't expect uh but also from the faithfulness of this servant girl who a sla a slave taken from her home and like hey if you go see this prophet of God you'll be healed of
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this leprosy and >> um and it happens in the way like he didn't expect and he's he's angry he's mad and he's like why don't you come out and and just wave your hand on me, >> right? >> If it's true what I've heard about you, can't you just come do this? >> Yeah. >> And and instead, it takes like encouragement to just go go wash in in the river. >> Well, yeah. Cuz I think don't I mean the call out from his um those around him is
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like actually what's being asked of you is really easy. Like if he told you to do something hard, you'd do it. So just go just go dip in the river and and you know >> see what happens. But I I guess yeah the the thing in that is that it took and and we talked about this a little bit already but >> we were in uh in our sermon series we were in that story a number of weeks ago um and and that fell in a space where we were talking about community um and how we need community on the on this
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journey. And for me in that in that message, in that story, it was like this this man who's this commander of the armies, he's sick and whatever. And he needed the servant girl and he needed the people around him to like, hey, stop with the pride and the whatever. Just go do what you're told. He needed those people. Um, and I guess that's the thing about um this idea of these pleading kind of prayers and this intercess intercessory type of prayer is like it's a reminder that actually we need the
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community around us. And sometimes sometimes I need people to intercede for me in prayer. And sometimes I need to be that person standing in the gap. And and so even what does it look like for us collectively as a church body um to be a people who stand in the gap and and sometimes people don't even like that's not necessarily something people know, right? So, um, the the city of Sodom doesn't know that there's a person having a conversation with God saying, "Okay, but what if you find just 10
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people?" >> Yes. >> Would that would it be worth saving in that moment? And so, um, like what does it change? And and part of that um one of the places we were at was in 2 Chronicles 7 because this the scripture that we're all familiar with or many of us that's like um if my people who are called by my name will uh hear from or will humble themselves and pray and seek my face, right? This idea where um and and where that falls, they've just kind of dedicated the temple to the Lord. So
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this is Solomon um like okay, we've created this temple. This is a place for God's spirit to dwell. And then God is responding after they've dedicated to the temp the temple to him. And in his response, he's like, "Okay, so I've heard your I've heard you. I've heard your prayers. Um, yes, I will dwell in this temple." But then he gives them this like warning. Um, and he says, "At times I might shut up the heavens so that no rain falls or I might command
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grasshoppers to devour your crops or send plagues among you." So he's letting them know like there are going to be things there's going to be uh seasons or spaces where the world is hard and there's brokenness and whatever. Um and he says and and it's then that he says if in those times my people will humble themselves will uh pray and seek my face and turn from their ways. And then this promise is like so powerful. He says I'll hear from heaven. I'll forgive their sins and restore their land. My
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eyes will be open and my ears attentive to every prayer made in this place. For I've chosen this temple and set it apart to be holy, a place where my name will be honored forever. I will always watch over it for it's dear to my heart. And I I just as I was like reading that because usually we stop after the one verse. But this idea of like my eyes will be open and my ears will be attentive to every prayer made in this place for I've chosen this temple. Well, if we fast forward to the New Testament,
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we we are the temple in that in in uh our current reality. like the spirit of God now dwells within each of us. Um, which means like if that if that statement is still true, then God's essentially saying like my eyes are open and my ears are attentive to every prayer that's made in the place that my spirit dwells and I've chosen like so that that for me was such a um such a moment of a reminder like do I recognize the power in the prayer? Um I don't know that we do. I think sometimes we pray
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because we're supposed to and we pray from this mindset of like God's going to do what God's going to do, but I'm supposed to like, you know, list off prayers because a good Christian talks to God. Um, but that that reminder of like there's power in the prayer um like his eyes will be open and his ears attentive to the prayers made in the space where his spirit dwells. And if that's in me, then there's power in the in the prayer prayers that I pray. And am I praying like there's that kind of
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power? Um >> well and also like yeah that that makes sense in the um >> in regards to the this pleading right so um we can pray in such a way like God you're going to do what you're going to do um and so I'm not really necessarily praying to change her mind and and we've I mean I've heard this quote before like in praying to God it isn't necessarily about changing God's mind but about changing my heart but I think when we read the Abraham story we actually see
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something different in that we Do you see this this um exchange of Abraham to to God and um what if there's this okay well what if there's this there there seems to be an interaction in which God is not set >> uh already he's he's willing to like his his ears are open or his eyes are open his ears are attuned he will hear us >> and there is something in this Abraham story that even calls me back to um you know the that that quote of you praying to God isn't necessarily about changing
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God's heart, but changing mine. Um, there is there is both at play. >> Both are at play. Neither one of them, you know, one isn't isn't more uh accurate or true than the other. Both of them are at play because it's a relationship that God is inviting us into, which means that I do have agency. God has given me agency. and a part of this agency. If my heart is broken for the brokenness that exists in the world, will I will I be willing to plead >> to God, Lord, make a way this brokenness
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that breaks my heart? I know that it breaks yours. So, where is there, you know, like Abraham, like, okay, did what does it get down to to 10 >> 10? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. And we see that that's not a one-off story. Um, right? Because that's it's the same thing Moses does where God's like, "I'm done. I'm done with them." And and that happens multiple times that Moses is interceding. But then we also like Jesus talks about this um and this idea of like uh almost the nagging, right? So he
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uses the parable or the story of a neighbor and like knocking on your neighbor's house in the middle of the night because you need something and they're like, "Go away. I'm in bed." But if you keep knocking and keep knocking, eventually they're going to get up and just give you what you want. So you'll shut up and go away. kind of idea. Um, and and Jesus's call out is like, if a grumpy, grumbly neighbor next door is going to do that, how much more will this good father? And so, again, that
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reminder of like, am I asking for the things that are burdening my heart and where I think like even the quote you just said about um, it's less about changing God's heart and more about changing mine. Um, that's where that's where I think those intercessory kind of prayers are coming out of a space of lament because I'm not talking about like this isn't the genie or the vending machine kind of prayer that's like here's what I want God, >> but if my um if I if it's coming out of
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a place where my heart is just absolutely burdened because there's brokenness and pain in this world. Um there are things in this world that stand in contrast to what I know uh God God's kingdom looks like. if that's where my prayers are coming out of and if it's a call out that that's the other piece that's so powerful to me is like um it's okay for me to remind God like this is what I know to be true of you. So so show us like this is what I know is true of who you are and this is these
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are the promises that I read about in your word that I believe are true. So let this be true in this place and in this space. Um, in that instance, I think my heart's already aligned with God's heart because I imagine and and I even said on Sunday, um, I talked about a conversation that you and I had had even the week before where you were sitting in something heavy and and like this, um, this space where both things can be true and you can say like, God, won't he do it? I I am believing God to
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to move powerfully in this situation. And also right now in this moment, I'm frustrated and I'm burdened because there's there's hardened hearts around me or whatever. And so being able to stand in both those spaces um that like I will I will stand with you, God, and call out brokenness and call out what what shouldn't be. Um and then I will pray and plead for you to move powerfully in those broken spaces. and that I don't know if sometimes we get one or the other or sometimes we're just
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like God's going to do it, whatever. Um >> but there's power. There's power in our prayers. >> There is. Yeah. And and we even on Sunday got to like for me uh see it firsthand. I mean the the burden on my heart to um tear down the walls of separations, separate uh churches one one from another. Um and and we don't get together uh ever if often or very often. Here's an o here we had an opportunity on Sunday to get two church families, two congregations who on uh any any other Sunday are worshiping in
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their own space in their own building. Um but it was even called out on Sunday of like the the church is the assembly of God's people and here in the park we are an assembly of God's people. Um though on other Sundays we're worshiping in other spaces um there on on Sunday at the park we got to be together and there was it was a beautiful coming together you know and however many people were able to see that I don't know but I did I I got to see that and then we got to celebrate uh breaking bread with with a
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barbecue and then also with baptisms in the river people who are saying yes to Jesus. We had four um uh four kids uh a couple teenagers uh and and and a couple of adults get baptized. This is just a beautiful thing. People are like, "Yes, I I I I want to follow Jesus. I want to give my my life to him and and I want to be baptized >> into a new life." And and we I got to have all of that. So, church is coming together um breaking bread and and baptism into new life. >> Yeah. It's so good. And that just speaks
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and that that was kind of another piece um but that just speaks to what it is to enlarge the circle um and and why prayer even sits like this idea of these pleading prayers because I can do this on my own um and I should pray this way but there's also something powerful when we pray collectively and together in that way in much in the same way that you're talking about when we gather and worship or when we gather and share a meal um or gather to celebrate baptism baptism or whatever that is like there's
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this collective communal like God's people cuz that's a plural when God's when God's saying like if my people will humble themselves that's a collective like together as a people um that there's a power in yeah there's a power in that in the coming together. >> Yeah. So it was good to witness. Um, so as we bring this conversation to a close, what would you say is your chyros from Sunday that um, what's God saying and how are you invited to respond? >> Uh, yeah. Well, it's just kind of um
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more of what I was just saying. There's um there's this reminder for me um that there's power in the prayer. Um, and so a reminder like part part of that too was like um I was using the illustration throughout Sunday of kids. Um, because so often kids are really good at um they're actually really good at boldly asking parents for whatever they want. Even if sometimes I'm like that is a crazy thing to ask me. Um, especially Kase, I know we we've talked about this before, you've witnessed it. Kase will
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ask for whatever Kase wants. Like there's no shame in Kase's uh asking game. Um, and so that that reminder like but but then there's also spaces or moments where I find myself telling my kids like if you want something tell me what it like I can't read your mind. Tell me what it is. Um, and so while maybe that's analogy breaks down a little. God does know what's on our hearts and minds. There is something about um I guess for me it's there's this conviction of like
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how many things if I were to write a list of all the things that I feel like gosh um this could use God's attention whether it's like in the world at large or um in my family or whatever that is like if I were to write that list how many of those things have I actually taken to God in a very like raw and honest like I I'm asking and expecting you to move in this way. Um, or do I just like, okay, God, so keep my family healthy, handle the mess in the world, like whatever. Um, and so I guess that's
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the conviction for me is like there's um there's an invitation or maybe even a challenge to um pray with a boldness and a specificity of like this is the thing God that that is weighing on me and I'm going to pray like I like my prayer actually has power um to catch your the attention of your eyes and your ears. Um because I believe and and that piece of like I believe that my that I am a temple now that I'm hosting the spirit of the living God. And if that's true, your word tells me that you hear the
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prayers made in the temple. Um and so there's power. >> That was good. >> Yeah. >> I love it. Um, my kyros uh has been on in the the place and position of this servant girl in in non's household. And so, um, it was there on on Sunday as the missionary was using this text and calling out the the faithfulness of this young girl in the midst of like she didn't have to offer anything today. She just can do the work she's been assigned to do. Like, and you don't have a
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choice, just do the work. But >> she off she she boldly she takes a bold action to speak up. Mhm. >> I even I even um some of what Abraham in talking to God about Sodom, there's a boldness >> uh even there. So, uh I suppose maybe it's it's more of that. So, where where am I um where's God inviting me to be bold to ask and and regardless of of what it is the ask is or where it is, right? So, Sodom's clearly not a redeemable place. Um, but Abraham seems to see that there's
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something. >> Yeah. >> And a and a willingness to boldly go before God to say, >> you know, to make uh, you know, maybe there's this many. But the servant girl in the same way like, >> yeah, >> you know, to non there's this there's a prophet of of God that if you go and see him, you'll be healed. It's a bold it's a a bold action for um you know in the text like maybe she's 12 13 for I mean she's young >> right >> and um making this bold uh coming to non
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to say there's a prophet of God and God who would heal you if you went >> yeah it's like Hebrews 4 right let us boldly come into the throne room >> yeah and and for things that like otherwise I I I might, and this is the this is the part because in my humanity, I might draw a circle that you're you don't get in. I might make I might make a determination that Sodom, no, it's not worth it. So, I'm not going to offer that prayer, non, you know, like you you you raided my my um
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my my hometown, my village, and and you took me away. I'm a slave in your house. >> No, not worth it. I'm gonna draw a circle that you don't get in. >> And that's where that boldness of if if if the invitation is to these places that I've already cast off as unworthy or not worth it or in my mind um there's no redeemable peace there. I'm not extending a circle that God might be inviting me into. And so I see that with the servant girl in Non's house. I see
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that with Abraham towards Sodom. And so that's the boldness I'm talking about. Like boldness, yes, to see God's kingdom come, but is it boldness in these spaces that I've I've maybe already written off as um unredeemable or there's no value or certainly this is not what God wants. >> Right? So that uh gosh that's that's so good because um then what that makes me think of and I was trying to find and I don't know if I'm going to be able to find it quickly
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but at one point in one of the times that uh Moses intercedes um I think it's Moses where God's like I'm actually going to kill them all and I'll rebuild with you. like he offers Moses this like >> kind of a sweet gig of like >> an Abraham ask, right? So like I'm going to re wipe it out and we'll go back. You be the this Abraham 2.0. >> Yeah. And and uh Moses is like no. Like no. And and I um what's interesting and what's striking me as you're talking is
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that um in that I wonder if that's not I wonder if that doesn't have less to do with the people and say likewise with Abraham or even the servant girl less to do with like I care about these people. Maybe there's a piece of that but really it's more like I care about who you are God who I believe you to be and who I believe you to be. the character that I've seen, the promises I've heard you make this stands in contrast to that. And so that um I wonder if that there's
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something in that for me of like um how well do I know the character and the promises of who God is? Um and the desire to just like I just want to see the fullness of your glory. >> Yeah. um >> that despite of this in in spite of who the the other is, >> right? >> It's it more important to call out the who God is and and where redemption might come or where redemption uh >> we desire to see redemption and restoration. >> Yeah. >> Not not because of like I I think that
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you're worth it, but God does. >> Right. >> Yeah. and and because my because ultimately the ultimately um the the aim the goal is for the glory of God to fill the earth, all corners of the earth. That's from day one. Um so God, if if your glory is going to fill this earth, then actually you're going to need to uh you're going to need to ring true to your character in those promises. Um, so it's a almost like a calling out like in my in my mission as a as a human, if my
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mission is to carry the glory of God, to be filled with his glory and carry it into the places that he's called me to be, um, then part of that is a calling out of like God, uh, let the people around you see see your glory and do that by and then that's the that's the piece. >> Yeah. But I can't control the circle. I can't I can't dictate it. Although that would be a human tendency and I think we do that in I do that in different spheres of my life, >> right?
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>> Um but it's in this enlarging the circle is what God is enlarging it to not what I can see but what God already has in mind. >> Yeah. >> Which is the whole world, >> right? >> Yeah. >> So good. >> That's good. Well guys, thanks for being with us on this episode and uh we hope and pray that uh like this uh just moment moments um uh light bulbs go on, moments um things are spoken and it stirs within our souls uh God what God is uh speaking and saying and inviting
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us into. And so we hope and pray that you too are having conversations that are like this about what God is saying and how you respond. So thanks for being with us.
