Beyond Sunday S2: Dearly Loved Son
In one sentence God reveals Jesus’ identity and anoints him for mission. What the voice of God speaks over Jesus at His baptism defines every part of his life and ministry- he is God with us. That truth isn’t for this story alone- it informs our identity and calling as followers of Jesus and sends us back into the world with the foundation of a Jesus-shaped church.
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Hey guys, welcome to another episode of the Beyond Sunday podcast where we desire to take the conversation deeper. And on this episode, we're back uh Pastor Sherea and myself. I'm Devin. Um how you doing this morning? >> Good. How are you? >> Pretty good. >> Okay. Good. >> Yeah. had to think about it for a hot minute. So, um yeah. Um this is we're into this season of of Epiphany and um we'll we'll dive into the conversation, but before we do, let's take a look at
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this video. Heat up here. All right, guys. Welcome back as we dive into the conversation uh of this week. Um Sherea, what was the big idea uh in this Sunday and what were some of the scriptures that we were um diving into? >> Yeah, so we're we're in a new season now of the church calendar coming out of Advent. Um and through what we call uh goodbye hello or hello goodbye whatever uh we're into now Epiphany and so um this idea the whole idea of this season is that God is with us um and I think
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one of the things for me was this recognition that in if Advent is a season of expectation um and longing and desire and waiting um the beauty of where we exist in the timeline of history is that we sit in a place where God has come. So, Advent like the the expectation and the waiting um there's been fulfillment and there's there's more to come and we we still long for the not yet. But we live in a space now where we get to experience God with us. And so that's the theme, that's
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the series that we're in is this like do we recognize God with us and and the ways that uh Jesus embodied both his deity and humanity um but also what that means for us. And so we started with uh this week's focus was uh actually what God speaks over Jesus in his baptism is this word of like this is my dearly loved son who brings me great joy. And so, um, we were in Matthew 3, the story of Jesus's baptism. Um, for me, uh, because we're the the emphasis here is identity, which is always like a
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favorite thing for me to talk about. Uh, so we were in Genesis 1. Um, because that I think is such a good space. Uh, like this is what identity was always supposed to be and look like. Um, we were also in Isaiah for for us here. um and Psalm and and Acts. And actually, I thought it was funny this time because it's not very often that I use all of the lectionary scriptures, but I did this week. They all felt like they fit um >> really well in what God was putting on my heart. So, I did I recognized as I
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was getting ready, I was like, "Hey, I'm using all of these this time." That doesn't happen very often. So, >> yeah. And one of the things I noticed in Acts 10 uh is Peter's uh this is in his uh time with Cornelius is that uh he is essentially offering the the first gospel message uh in the recognition of the divinity of Christ and who Jesus is and and as being the son of God and also coming to offer salvation and forgiveness of sins. uh that he's offering that to Gentiles, right?
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Cornelius is not a a um a Hebrew. Uh he's a Roman centurion, so a soldier. Um and Peter's having this conversation in Corn Cornelius's household and into all those who are around um and hearing this message, this good news of this is who Jesus is. Uh and what he has brought into this world, God with us, right? that that piece that then even draws me from the Old Testament prophecies of Isaiah. Um even thinking of the what was in the in the garden with Genesis and and what God had created with Adam and
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Eve in the garden. Um to the Old Testament prophecies to to this word that is spoken over Jesus at his baptism uh at the Jordan uh this is my son uh whom I love and I'm well pleased. that then here in in Peter's message, gospel message or salvation salvation message to Cornelius and his household and the crowd that surrounds that um uh it's like here here's this message that well we can we can offer up always right this is a true for us what Peter's offering to Cornish is also something that we too
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can um live out and also proclaim to those who are around us. Yeah. Yeah. That was kind of the um well for for us that was in in some ways that's the application piece is like if if now if we recognize the identity that God calls out over Jesus as an identity that we get to also wear and carry because of of Jesus because that's God's initial design but because of Jesus um that gets to be true of us too. So if that's true, then what Peter's calling out is like this is how we show up in
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the world. We get to stand in a place to say, do you know God is with us and he can be with you too? Um >> yeah. Yeah. What a beautiful invitation especially when we uh in this Sunday talking about identity. identity of Jesus, yes, as a son of God, but also our identity uh that sits in there that is um actually foundational in in the the identity of Christ that if we are taking on the identity of Christ is even what Paul writes in his letters like we are to um uh put on on on Christ and and
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that we are then uh even later on in in his letters like these are like we're we are the ambassadors or ministry of reconcili ation like this is the the the purpose or the the mission we've been sent out in but not and to do ourselves but to do out as of a reflection of that we look we look like Christ um we're becoming like Christ uh because we we are sitting in a place of of being his um uh God's God's children being being heirs of the kingdom and co-airs with Christ and um So it doesn't come out of
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something I create. It comes out of a a place of receiving receiving this identity that only Christ can can can give and brings. >> Yeah. And and we talked a lot about um how actually the place we talked about the connection between where we have put our identity, where we have found our identity >> and how that impacts the way I show up in the world. Um because I mean you and I have conversations about identity all the time, right? These are uh this is something that I have recognized like
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there's almost everything uh comes down to like hey I think that's an identity issue. Um but that's not necessarily something that we often think about. Um if maybe if you're outside of I don't know our context. Uh and so in that space recognizing like do do we realize that the things that we've actually tied our identity to influence the way we show up in the world. And so even calling out and this is something uh we got to do we we got to teach uh last week at our student leadership uh
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meeting. But I even was calling this out on Sunday. This recognition that like if my identity is tied into whatever uh success, financial success, right? Like I I'm only uh worth whatever financial success I have. Well, that's going to impact the way I show up in the world. That means that in in all of the places and spaces I show up, I'm doing whatever I can >> to keep that financial success >> because that's where my identity is tied to or relationships. So, you know, if
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it's tied to my friendships and my relationships, then I'm going to do everything I can to please the people around me to keep those relationships healthy and well. So, it's going to impact the way I show up in the world. Which means if my identity is rooted in Christ, if my identity is rooted in who God says I am, then actually what the way I'm showing up in the world is like, well, gosh, I really just want to look a whole lot like Jesus because that's where my identity rests. And and what
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I'm actually doing is showing up in the world in a way that says the the thing I want to be truest about me is that I'm your loved daughter. Um that I'm your loved child and that you are pleased in me. And and so it flips the like, hey, I have to show up in the world in obedience or I have to show up in the world and tell people about the good news. Not that that we don't do those things, >> but if the way I'm showing up in the world is like, hey, I I really I just want to I want to be true to the truth
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that I'm your daughter. That's how I want to show up in the world. And so that um it adjusts the way that we exist in the places we show up. >> Yeah. Yeah, it um it it also like the the rooted piece like when our identity is rooted in the father uh that the showing up in those spaces and and and partnering in his kingdom work and being obedient. That's an overflow of the identity being rooted. And that's where I I suppose the imagery that comes to mind is the tree that's deeply rooted.
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Roots go down deep. Um and so things that you know wind that blows or whatever comes those roots are so connected to the source to the father that um that they're pulling nutrients and so then the trunk is strong the fruit is good all that comes from that but it comes from a place that's rooted deep down so when when we talk about that it seems like so much is tied to identity it's true it's like when we have the conversation what's the thing behind the things we're talking about
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this thing on the surface but actually what what what matters or what actually is the thing is the what it's the root what's your what are you rooted to and if we're rooted to anything that exists in this earth that we've created humanity's created it will not hold it's like that you know Jesus talking about where is your treasure treasures on earth or treasures in heaven because that's where I would say that the if our if our treasures are on earth we've rooted it to ourselves our identity to
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something that won't last. uh or when it doesn't it fades away. Now we find ourselves pining for the next thing to get rooted to or you know just getting blown to and fro >> by the by the winds of even Paul winds of the of doctrine and teachers and we're like just give me the next thing because I'm not rooted to the thing that will last. >> Right. Yeah. or when the world tries to then tell us where our identity should come from, which happens all the time and uh even I was having a conversation
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yesterday with somebody who and and she was calling out like, >> "Oh, um she actually what she said was like, God has been so kind to me today." Um which was a really cool thing to hear somebody say. >> So I was like, "Tell me more." her and she was saying that um she had recognized in herself she's dealing with some relationship stuff and some spaces where like friendships are hard and and so she had had a couple of things take place in the day just you know maybe
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some minor things but moments where she's questioning like gosh am I even a good friend like what's wrong with me whatever and then there were some very tangible reminders um that she felt like where she felt like God was saying that is not like somebody else is trying to tell you who you are let me tell you who you are. Yeah. >> Um and there's just something in that like when when my identity is rooted in God, it doesn't mean that those things aren't going to come. That's the wind,
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the whatever that you're talking about. But in those spaces where I find myself questioning like, am I even good at this? Am I even worth this the role that I've been called to? Am I a good mom? Am I a good friend? Like whatever. when those things show up, um I have something to actually compare it to and say actually the the people around me, the world around me, myself, my own self, like I don't get to say who I am. Um and there's something even in that too, I think, Devon, like this is not
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it's not I'm choosing to believe that this is where my identity lies. It's actually like this is my identity. If I've tied it to something else, I'm choosing to believe a lie. But this isn't something like, okay, I'm going to I'm going to choose this and this is the choice. Like, no, actually, that is what's true of me >> and anything else I'm walking out is is actually an untruth um that I've bought into. >> And there's something in that that's
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like >> I don't know like the there's this core and I guess maybe that's where the rootedness comes from, but there's this core like unchanging truth is that we are God's children made in his image. And that actually I I may not I I have the choice to walk in that or not, >> but I actually don't get to change that. >> Yeah. Well, I can choose if I'm going to walk in it. I can choose if I'm going to um surrender. >> Yes. Yes. to to the truth uh that I am
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um created by God, woven together in my in my mother womb, that he knows everything about me, knows the thoughts before I say them. I I can choose if I'm going to surrender to that or I can choose my own um sort of constructed thing, whatever I want to try to build around myself to to to give um value or meaning, purpose, right? I can try to con we do honestly we do try to construct that around us as some sort of buffer maybe um but it doesn't it doesn't replace the truth that we are created by God
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>> um h have been given his breath of life and um and h and can and have his identity in us we are image bearers >> yeah yeah and and so even if I don't choose that if I don't choose to surrender Um it doesn't change what's true. >> Yeah. >> And there's something so we were having a conversation yesterday um about what it looks like. Essentially we're talking about evangelism and disciplehip kind of like at at a high level. Um but the conversation was really around um
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the desire to not feel manipulative in spaces. Right? So, this was a this is an ongoing conversation in this group that I'm in where it it's like um if I'm if I'm meeting new people or if I'm engaging in relationship, the desire to not be like, okay, well, I'm doing this so that I can win them for Christ, right? And so what that looks like and as everybody was talking, I just there was this this thought for me of like maybe the question that I need to be asking myself for the
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people God's put in front of me or the the places where I'm like uh desiring to not be manipulative or whatever. Um like if this person in front of me never says yes to Jesus, will I still love them? Will I still treat them like they're an image bearer? will I still recognize >> uh will I still see them the way God sees them even if they never ever step foot in my church or say yes to Jesus? Um and as I was I I called that out in the conversation and then as I was calling that out I was recognizing like
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that's what God does. That's what he's done. Like this God that pursues >> who sends his son who um you know makes this sacrifice like he does that knowing not everybody's going to say yes. And and yet for the people who never say yes, we see a God who pursues and a God who says still I made you in my image. This is the thing that's true about you. And so >> yeah, >> there like both for my own identity, recognizing that in myself, but also recognizing in the people around me like
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do I see you in your God-given identity? Not in the way, not in what you've chosen to operate in, not in what the world's told you or what I want to attach to you, but when I see the people around me is the thing is the first thing I see the truth of their identity. >> Yeah. Well, and I that there's an importance to in this season that we're in if as you you called it out in the beginning, advent uh of calling out God with us, Jesus coming to earth as a as a as a as an infant, as a child, as a
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baby. Uh but then here in this um season of Epiphany calling out the the divinity of Christ, the moments we read in scripture, baptism being one of those that uh Jesus comes to the river and he's um baptized by John the Baptist and after that the the Holy Spirit descends upon him in the in the form of a dove or like a dove and then you hear this voice this is my son that in this season of Epiphany it's it's important that if that I as we talk about our identity to understand the identity of Christ,
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>> right, >> and the divinity of Christ both here in human form on earth um and living here on earth and that in this moment here in the scripture of Matthew 3, the baptism uh that takes place that that God speaks over his son. This is my son whom I love and I am well pleased. But there is a huge part of that to for us to hold uh or to have our root our our our roots into our identity in the father that we we do understand the divinity of Christ and the humanity of Jesus God with us here in human form and also God
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here on earth the divine nature of Jesus. Yeah, because that So that's the Isaiah 42, right? That calls out Jesus the chosen servant. Yeah. But it's it calls out like he's going to be a symbol of the covenant is is how that's is how it's called out like >> this idea where where God's like initial my initial design. >> Yeah. >> There's brokenness in the world. And so this invitation to covenant relationship and even back in Isaiah a long time before Jesus shows up, God's like, I'm
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going to send you my chosen servant who's going to be a symbol of this covenant that I just so deeply like this desire to pursue humanity because I love you so much. And it points back to the character and the nature of who God is, >> right? character nature of a God who's like um uh but is this isn't this isn't just the the following the commands of the of the Torah and and um coming into the temple and doing it the proper way like I am going to pursue you to to be with you before you do anything. I am
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going to send the rescuer. I'm going to send my servant. Uh I'm going to send my son because I love you that much. >> Yeah. And this is that's been all along even this morning. I don't know if you've read if you read the Moravian yet, but there we're in it. We're the story of Abraham. And in this story, God's like, "This is like the here's the first covenant that that well, okay, I guess Noah, but here's here's a covenant that we're going to uh that I'm going to
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invite you into, but I also recognize you're not going to be able to do this. So, I'm actually going to like already I'm going to walk the blood path for you and I'm gonna take the place like and and it just keeps more and more." We've talked about this on the podcast already, but like this God who says like >> that's still not good enough. That's still not good enough. And so Jesus as a symbol and an example, and that's the beauty of the DNA and humanity. I'm
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going to be this symbol of the covenant relationship. I'm going to show you what it looks like to be fully rooted in identity, but I'm also going to show you what it looks like to show up as a human in the world when you're fully rooted in identity. >> Yeah. Yeah. because um I mean I it would take way longer than than a Sunday has. But even next week we call out the lamb of God. It it does call back to this even moment with with Abraham that um then continues into how they're they're
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to uh every year come back to the temple, offer a Passover sacrifice, which would be a lamb, an unblenmished lamb, >> right? >> Um and offer that as a sacrifice for atonement of their sins. Now Jesus becomes the lamb of God who is the perfect sacrifice to offer atonement for our sins once and for all time. First Peter uh talks about that that that Jesus came to be the the uh to offer himself once and for all time. Uh that that covered us and our sins and no longer do we have to yearly come back to
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the temple and offer a sacrifice but we can go straight to God as our through Jesus Christ our mediator right the high priest. Like all of this gets tied together through the person of Jesus and it's so interwoven. That's where I think of like the roots going down deep. Sometimes you you don't know if you follow the path of a root, you don't like where did it cross over? But it's so connected into the the source that um that you can't it's really hard to untangle. And that's where I think we
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connected with Jesus. We're so intertwined with every part of who he is. his identity as the son of God as God come to earth, God with us. That then that speaks over us and our identity. And then the overflow is this. Okay, Lord, I surrender. I desire to be obedient to what you have called in me. Not because I think you'll love me more when I do that, but I already know how dearly loved I am. And I desire to be o to surrender to your will and to your way and to be obedient to your call.
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>> Yeah. And don't you think that all of that is that that's the good news? And I actually like so when we talk about Peter's message in Acts 10 or any any of the New Testament, like here's the good news of the gospel. Um I >> I think so often we've watered this we've watered the gospel down to the good news is that you don't have to spend eternity in hell. And if you will, um, in fact, >> what we've actually communicated is like if you'll come to church every Sunday at
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10:00 a.m., then you probably could go to heaven. And like that's yikes. >> Yeah. Like >> surrendered. >> That really is so bad. But I I think what you're calling what we're calling out in this is like the good news is because of what Jesus did, I actually get to know my identity and I get like God with us. That's the good news is like >> you mean that I actually don't have to exist in this place longing and waiting and wanting and expecting any longer.
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Like >> I don't I don't have to wait for the not yet. God, you're going to show up now and you're going to remind me of who you made me to be and you're going to remind me that you love me and that I bring you joy. That's great news. Like >> and also no longer do I have to carry all these things that I thought once spoke >> uh my identity to the world. Now I get hold Christ and I have freedom there and I can let go of the rest. It doesn't mean God's still not going to bless us
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in those ways that we we love and desire and have these things in our lives um if they speak life. But we no longer have these things as a weight that we have to carry. That's the like I can take that off and surrender uh that and put on Christ and now I have freedom in him. >> Yeah. >> Right. not to not to do whatever I want, but to follow his way and his will. And and what we know to be true about thea character and nature of God is his will and his way is good. >> There's good in store for us
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>> and it's easy and it's light. Yeah. >> Right. This is Matthew 11. Like, will you just come and be with me? Like, >> walk with me and keep company with me. That like that's great news because that's what we were designed for in the first place. Like, >> yeah, man. It does sound good like good news. And that's what Peter in Acts 10 is offering all those who were hearing and Gentiles who once were on the outside looking in, right? Not never before this time had the Holy Spirit
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descended upon anybody other than um God's people, Hebrew people, Israelites. Um >> yeah. And now here in this household of Cornelius receiving salvation and the Holy Spirit coming and uh I mean what a what a scene that is that we get to that's a scene for us as well in the today. >> Yeah. Well and sometimes I think I don't know I think we miss some of the all of this conversation I feel like it it uh ignites the awe in me. Again we talk a lot about the like standing in awe of
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who God is. Right. So, as we have this conversation, I'm like, gosh, God is really so incredibly great, right? >> But we again, I don't know, there's there's something um we've become numb maybe because imagine for these for these early Jewish followers of Jesus, life is dramatically different from if if you existed as a g as a as a Jewish person, as a like, okay, I believe I believe in God. I I um desire to follow God, whatever. If you exist as that prior to Jesus coming and afterwards,
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like that's a radical change. That's a radical difference for us. We don't have that same experience necessarily. Um I mean there is this radical like uh new life altering of like when I say yes to Jesus, absolutely there is that. But as far as the rituals and the traditions and like we don't know um culturally in the same way like that we we don't experience that difference. But for them that was huge. And so this calling out and and that's where I think maybe we've missed the good news of the
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gospel in its fullness and we've we've dumbed it down to this like okay so just do these few things so that you can go to >> Yeah. like so that you go to heaven. Um, >> and I called that out. Like for me, that was my story growing up. And I' I've probably said it on here before, but this like my obedience for the first 20 years of my life um was rooted in a desire to not spend eternity in hell really. Like I saw God as a judge and it was like I better do the right thing
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because I um I've tied my identity and my value and worth and I'm going to do I I think if I obey really well then God might love me. And that's um first of all, it's exhausting and also doesn't work well. I said that on Sunday and I was like, "Many of you uh have known me for that long and you know that I didn't always get that right." And somebody laughed out loud who knew me since I was young and I was like, "Okay, that's rude. Thanks for that." Um, but that's
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true. Like that's an un that's a standard I can't live up to, which is the whole point of >> like this is what we see God the whole time, right? >> Freedom in Christ. >> Yeah. And so that for me the moment when God finally uh gets through to me like hey do you do you actually realize that I love you like not it's not about you it's about me I love you and you are my daughter and I am pleased in you like that was radically lifealtering in that space so that's the
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good news of the gospel right >> yes all right as we wrap this uh episode up let's share some chairos Um I I'll go first. One of the chyros is a is a divine echo. It has um God has not ceased to remind me. Uh it was one of the one of the points in the message. But like a a Jesus-shaped church uh before before programs, before structures, before uh ideas, um we we we begin with identity. and identity not that we um uh assess or put on ourselves but identity that comes from the father
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and uh and that it's true of us in our individual lives and it's true of of us as a Jesus-shaped church desiring to um be be shaped and formed by Jesus and to to position ourselves or posture ourselves in such a way that um we we we receive this identity from Jesus and we surrender uh to him and and one of the things that I divine echo that it's been ongoing. I mean a month ago you and I were in a Zoom call with um Caesar Kalinowski who does the Everyday Disciple podcast and uh when I was like look we we've got
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some good things for onboarding our our church family and um it's like what there's we're there's another level another step and and I know that it's disciplehip and but I also knew that it's not a program. M >> and he reminded uh me and he said shared it on our call together and he goes it's it's it's life. We live this life um and that's disciplehip. Disciplehip when we're intentional together to live it together to follow Jesus um and and be attuned to the Holy Spirit's movement in
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our lives and call uh to those who are around us both in our homes and our neighborhoods, our churches, and everywhere else God sends us. Um and it's um too often and maybe in my position as a pastor I can be like yeah there's a what's the onboard what's the or the on-ramp for people to take we have this thing and this thing and the class and the program and whatnot. like >> right >> actually it's not it's >> it's life >> it's it's life with Jesus and being
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shaped and formed and doing that together um and doing it in an intentional way and we we can do it haphazardly and sometimes disciplehip happens uh but we can also walk into it in intentionally and I think that's that's some of the chyros for me is um that there's a an intentional piece to walk out and and that it it's not it's always going to have a a program or a structure attached to it and that's okay. >> Yeah, it's good. Uh for me, uh Chyros came out of uh
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actually the Wednesday before. So as a uh with our teens, we um read through all the scriptures that are for Sunday and uh have invited them into that conversation before we uh before before the message even gets preached from the platform. we invite the teenagers into like, hey, what are you hearing as you read these scriptures? Um, which has been a really cool thing. And one of the things that came out of this past Wednesday as we're talking, we're, you know, we're reading through all these,
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we're talking about identity, and one of the teenagers said, "Okay, so um, if that's true, if we're made in God's image, if if that's where our identity comes from, he asked like, then how do we get God's mannerisms?" And I thought that was such a good question because he wasn't it ma what it made me think of it the because he used the word mannerisms and I don't even know if this was his intention but it made me think not only like we we talk so much about a Jesus shaped church and
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I desire to like live my life using Jesus as the example or whatever but the idea of mannerisms is um like that's so subtle and nuanced when we like mannerisms are not a conscious choice typically when we talk about like whatever my mannerisms are, it's not something that I'm consciously choosing. >> Um, and so if I'm going to uh carry or have God's mannerisms, that actually means I'm going to spend a lot of time with him. And that's that was one of the things that that Cyros for me
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that I I was drawing out was like I know that um that when we spend time with people, we end up adopting their mannerisms. Like that's true. we've studies and whatever we know that um you know we we say things the same way or or whatever um as the people we spend time with. Even I called out Pastor Elmer always says like show me your friends and I'll show you your future. Like this idea that like the people around us shape help shape us um and not just not just help shape the conscious choices um
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but also the the um subconscious or unconscious ways that we start to exist and walk things out. And so if that's true, um my question for myself was like, what's the loudest voice around me? Um, and even one of the scriptures this week, Psalm 29, was all about God's voice and the power and the majesty, um, and the strength in God's voice and recognizing that that same voice that carries so much power and so much strength that can form and shape the world, that can calm the seas, like
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that's the same voice that speaks powerfully over me and says, "You're my daughter and I I delight in you. I'm pleased with you." Um, is that the loudest voice in my head? And and then even the the continuation chyros for me was like, okay, so if that's true, then first of all, I do need to pay attention to the voices that are around me and recognize that um God's voice needs to be the loudest and the other voices that I've put around me need to be echoes of God's
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voice, but also recognizing then is that the voice I am for people? Um is is what I'm speaking into people and around people. Um is that an echo of the voice of the father? Um, >> yeah. >> And so, yeah, that's that's the chyros this week for me. >> Powerful. >> Yeah, that's good. >> Yeah. Well guys, thanks for listening in and watching and um we hope and pray that your conversations are going beyond Sunday, that God's revealing uh himself to you in in new and fresh ways and that
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you have people that you're having these kinds of conversations with uh wrestling through the scriptures um and the chyros that God's bringing to mind and that um as you invite people in to share the chyros, how is it that we're going to walk out differently? What's the transformation that's taking place? And so we hope and we hope and pray that for you. Uh so have a blessed week.
