Beyond Sunday: Walking with Jesus With a Humble Spirit
Catch up: this week’s Sunday morning message.
Sometimes we find ourselves alone, yet God is with us. He has not abandoned us and draws us closer to Him. In His presence we approach with a humble spirit desiring to be ever closer. As we walk with Jesus do we approach God with a humble spirit?
Catch up: this week’s Sunday morning message.
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Hey guys, welcome to Beyond Sunday podcast where we desire to take the conversation deeper. Uh this week, uh we're back on virtually. I don't know, were we virtual last week? I don't remember. Do you know we've we've got like 50 plus episodes of the Beyond Sunday podcast. Did you think that when we started this uh over a year ago, you could still >> still Yeah. >> Yeah. You have a lot of words to say. First of all, second of all, I don't give up on things. So
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>> nice. >> Good job. Well, welcome Sherea. >> Welcome to you. >> Before we dive into the conversation, take a look at this video. Heat. Heat. ready. >> All right, as we dive back into the conversation, uh Sheree, tell us the scripture big idea that we were at. um on on this last Sunday. >> Yeah. So, we were talking about humility um and and on this journey with Jesus, as we're walking with Jesus, as we're being formed, like where does humility fit in and what's this what's this
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posture of humility look like? Um and so, because we're following the the book of Luke, um Jesus's journey through the book of Luke in Luke 18, he tells this story um of two men who come to pray. And it's this contrast of a Pharisee who's this religious leader um who's intimately uh uh acquainted with scripture and the religious laws and all of that. Um and he he comes and his prayer is very uh like thank you God that I'm not like all of these other people. Um and he calls
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out like thank you that I'm not like the sinners and the adulterers and whatever. Um, and even calls out like um, yeah, he's he's just pointing to like, "Thank you, God, that I'm >> even not like this tax collector." >> Right. Right. This tax collector that's over there. Um, and and so pointing out like, "Thank you that I'm so great." Basically, thank you that I'm not like all of these other sinners. And then the the contrast is the tax collector who
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then comes with this this posture of brokenness kind of that's just like um yeah I'm I'm sinful and it's you. It's all about you God. Um uh he it says he beats his chest uh in sorrow. And so even this physical like posture of um of yeah just kind of at the end of yourself is the the image I get. and he cries out um all he says or all it all it's recorded that he says oh God be merciful to me for I'm a sinner um and so then in this story what Jesus calls out um is that the t essentially the tax collector
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leaves unchanged or excuse me the Pharisee leaves un unchanged shows up this is what I've got thank you thank you that I'm so great unlike all of these other sinners and he leaves that same way and the tax collector shows up in brokenness and humility and says like, "I'm a sinner, God. I need your mercy." And scripture tells us that he leaves justified. Um, and so he walks away having been formed or or changed a little bit um in that regard. And so, yeah, that's the text. And out
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of that then this idea of like, okay, so what is humility? What does it look like for us to have a posture of humility? Um, what's the invitation? >> Yeah. So, beyond um beyond what made it in the message on Sunday, uh were there things that didn't make it in to your message? Were there things that God was stirring in you and you're like, "That might be for me, not necessarily for this message or >> um or otherwise." Right? So, I'm I'm in the midst of of preaching and I was I it
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came to mind. I was like, "Oh, Shre's got some good notes on this one." And so I scroll up >> while you're preaching >> and they're gone. >> Oh, >> they're gone. >> Uh you apparently the night before or the morning, I have no idea. They were there. They were there when I checked >> uh uh on Saturday night. And when I came back Sunday morning while I'm preaching, I'm like, "Oh, these notes there. There there's a there's a good piece in here,
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a paragraph, a section, and I scroll up and it's gone." And I'm like, h going back. >> Sorry. Okay. That happened because uh we had a conversation Saturday night while I was driving home from a youth event at your church um with with our our students. And as I was driving, um you called to kind of wrestle through some of this a little bit more. Like we had already had notes in there and and already kind of prepared. But uh in that conversation and and so let me back up. the question you just asked, were there
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things um are there things that didn't make it into Sunday? Uh for me, it sat almost opposite of that. Um I what I preached Sunday, I opened my notes at the top and then I just ended up I mean I didn't even come back to my tablet. Um because it felt like even throughout last week and over the weekend um it felt like I was living this message and God was like you're going to learn this in real time. Um and so that's what I ended up preaching out of. And so, um, less the the things that
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didn't make it into Sunday's message are the things that are on the page here. Um, >> you got notes for the things that didn't make it in. >> Yeah, exactly. Um, and so even that Yeah. So, Sunday morning after our conversation, Saturday night, Sunday morning, I was like, "Oh, I don't need any of this extra stuff. I know I'm not going to get there." Um, so sorry, I didn't realize you >> No, that's fine. I Yeah, it's always great to scroll and you're like,
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"They're not there." >> Sorry, I won't do that again. I'll pull it out. Um, but for me that I guess that's that was that was part of it. The the thing that landed for me this weekend even even like Saturday night um that had not landed for me while we were preparing these messages um not at least not in the same way um was this overwhelming idea that humility actually is like a a bare raw honesty um or an authenticity. Because we talk about humility all the time growing I mean I I grew up
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in church right so the the pride versus humility conversation this is not new we know and even as a as humanity like we would all say everybody would say I mean it's all over like be humble stay humble like whatever um so this idea of like don't be prideful this is not new um but I don't know that we always talk about what it actually looks like to be humble and so >> yeah to walk that out right if I'm >> I a characteristic uh or character quality of humility, >> right?
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>> What does that look like? Because it's not self-deprecation, right? It's it it that devalues identity that of what God has spoken into us. Um and and and um so it's not confidence that leads to pride, but a a God's. I know who's I am. >> Yeah. And a trust. And this is what's landed for me because every I can boil everything down. Pretty much everything God ever is telling me is a reminder of like you need to trust me. Um and this is not an exception. And in
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that is a trust of like uh humility means I trust God enough to be honest with where I'm at. And that's what we see in the tax collector. This is who I am. This is what I have. the Pharisee puts on a um facade or a mask or a shell or whatever. Um which means that there's not like um God doesn't have the same access to be able to change and form and and and um mold or transform the Pharisee, but the tax collector shows up with this honest raw like that. It doesn't feel good to stand
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in the temple and say and beat your chest and say, "I'm a sinner." That doesn't feel great. and you're also drawing a crowd probably because at least the Pharisee if no one else is calling out like at least I'm not like that guy. Um and and so to be able to stand and say like um in a really honest way like here's what here's where I'm at. This is and and I think and sometimes that is the calling out of like I'm a sinner. Be merciful God. But sometimes it's also an honesty of like
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um God right now I'm really sad and and I my heart hurts and my heart is heavy. And that's what for me last week um I mean I said that to you multiple times at least in the first half of the week like my heart is tired, my heart is weary. Um and and some of what we got to experience with the teenagers and in worship on Saturday night was this reminder of like what's it look like to let God meet you right there? to not feel like you have to change your emotions or your feelings or your your
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mental state or whatever um in order to enter into worship or enter into praise um or enter into the temple or the throne room. But what's it look like to not leave the stuff at the door, but to actually show up and go, here's where I'm at. Like here, this is what I this is what I have, and um God, would would I would you meet me here? I trust that you're going to meet me here. And I think that's that's some of the humility, at least what what it felt like God was teaching me was like, if you want me to
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form you and you want me to shape you and you want you want to look more like Jesus, um, I'm going to need you to show up where you're at so I have access to mold you and shape you >> in those inner spots and places. >> Yeah. And that is a process. like you say we're going to need to show up, but um even stripping away the mass or the pretense or the um the idea the resume, the idea that I can present to other people and and and before God, which is, you know, mindboggling, right? But we do
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it anyway. >> I might be able to present myself before people in such a way that like uh they'll they'll welcome me, they they'll accept me, I can figure it out, right? Chameleon kind of style. But the idea of coming before God was sort of this already prepackaged, hey, look, look, I've done all these things. I am pretty good. I I've done the things the right way. And so might you might you hear my prayer as if also as if the the the Pharisees prayer was any form of of opportunity
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for transformation, right? I I fast twice a week and I give a tenth. Um, and yeah, grateful, you know, I'm not like these other these other sinners. >> And and the idea of of coming before God with that kind of uh yeah, presentation and pretense that it's a process to strip that away of like, okay, I thought I could I thought I could work this out myself and I've now realized I cannot. Here I am. And that's just in one area, maybe. And then it's like coming back to God. I thought
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I could work this out, >> right? >> And here I am, >> right? Mold me, make me, transform me, cover me with your righteousness >> because I cannot clothe myself with it. I can't. I tried. I tried to work it out. I tried to be good. I tried to do these things in this kind of way, the way I see it in in in scripture and the law and the invitation of Jesus. I tried. I tried to do this. And and yet here I am. Um, yeah. beating my chest, broken, recognizing like I I still I I still don't get it.
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>> Yeah. >> And that's like the before coming before God. And and the one thing that you even said that stands out to me is like in the in the temple courts, this is a public space. >> So the tax collector, the Pharisee, they're not coming into a private room and praying to God. This is for all to see. And so the Pharisee, right, um, takes a proper posture, I don't know, kneeling or how, you know, whatever. >> Showy, you know, >> but others see that and it's like, yeah,
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got it together. >> There's a man who knows how to pray. There's a man who knows what it looks like to follow God, right? >> Yeah. And then we've got this, a tax collector who others likely know he's a tax collector. the one who's there, he's he's taken their money, >> comes and is probably well-dressed. But this >> posture of, you know, somebody who is wealthy, somebody who's well-dressed, somebody is has status, although not status uh that's desired or liked,
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right? No one no one likes a tax collector. uh even today. But um the the idea of the visual of this individual, this tax collector in their presence and in their dress, then the action of Yeah. beating his chest and crying out to God. That would be that would draw attention and be like, "Well, that guy's a hot mess." >> Right. Yeah. To the point that the Pharisees like, "Thank goodness I'm not like that guy." >> Yeah. which which if we're being honest
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like we that's we've all been there like that's we're not we're not that far from the Pharisee like >> yeah and and so there's some I don't know some honest reflection there but I think also Devon that >> the other thing that is coming to mind is like um showing up in in in an honesty of even what you were just saying like I can't control this I can't handle this myself I thought I could but here I am like that that absolutely there's honesty in that
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and the the like I can't cover my own righteousness and and whatever. Um but I also wonder if it's a step beyond that. And I think that's the thing that was landing for me um even after Sunday after the weekend of of worship and um after Sunday this uh it's not just in the places where I need forgiveness or repent. I need to repent. And it it is in those places and that's I think what we see um I mean the tax collector like oh God be merciful uh to me for I am a sinner. So there there
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absolutely is a space to come and god I thought I could control this but I'm going to actually need you to to cover me in righteousness or you know any of those things. But it but it's also in a space um where maybe I don't know exactly how to say this. Maybe it's okay whatever I'm sitting in like a lament. We've talked about this before um even in the last couple years of like recognizing that like it's okay to come to God with lament or heaviness or weariness. And maybe maybe it's not
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even necessarily for um God, I need a I need a a repentance, a correction, a turning point, but maybe it's just like am I honest enough to say, God, this is how I feel right now. And I what comes to mind is um both you and I in the last week and a half um we've both had a day or days where it was like we're just like kind of off in this in this day whether it's a like I said uh for me was like my heart is heavy, my soul is heavy. Um, but in both of those spaces, and we've talked about
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this, being able having a friend where you can show up and just be honest and be like, you know what? I I don't know. I don't fully feel like myself today. Maybe I know why. Maybe I don't. Um, and to have that be received with like that's okay. Like, it's okay. We can we can sit in that place. Um, and that I don't know that that piece um first of all, there's not a lot of people or a lot of friendships or relationships that we can show up that way. And that's not
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the normal um right and and that's even how I started on Sunday was like how many of you walked in this morning and somebody said how are you doing today and you were like oh I'm good but you're really not that good like but that's a normal that's normal so it's unusual maybe unfortunately um or there's not a lot of places there's not a lot of human relationships community that we do show up that honestly to be able to say like like we both did this last week of like
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yeah I'm kind of off and and it's okay I'm not you're not trying fix it. You're not trying to rush past it or whatever. Like, we're just sit in that. So, if that's true, then how much more with God? And and am I am I letting him am I coming to him in time of worship or as we gather on a Sunday or in my own um daily time in his presence? Am I coming to him? And am I being like, God, I'm my soul's tired today. >> I'm weary and this is where I'm at. and
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and will you sit with me in this and will you meet me here? >> Um >> because there's a humility in that too. The the tendency that we have is like what we do on a Sunday morning or wherever where it's like I'm good. I'm good. And we know what the expectation we know what it looks like to show up and worship and like okay and and even I was talking to Learon uh you're you're the worship leader at your church about this. Um, and even we even sing songs about like um I'm going to
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I'm going to praise you anyways even through what I'm going through. And the that's good. I'm not saying these are like bad songs, but um or bad doctrine or whatever, but this idea of like um even sometimes that paints a picture of like, okay, whatever the thing is, whatever I've got to I've got to enter into praise and work myself out of this sadness, this lament, this heaviness, this burden, whatever. And I wonder if God's like, "Or you could sit in that and still call out who I am."
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>> Yeah. Yeah. And when we have, like you said, when we have a friend or someone that we get to do that here in this life, how how much more does that point to the goodness of God than when we enter into the throne room uh or for this tax collector and Pharisee when we come to the temple to offer prayers uh that that he receives us, right? And so the tax collector walks away justified where the um Pharisee does not. And um I'm not a really great three-point sermon person. Um what some of that's because I don't want to
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just offer like here's what you should know about this text. Uh for me it's like not if I have to wrestle through this it's not enough wrestle for me to give you three points and walk away like yeah I got three points to go with this. But the part of this is if if if we can't walk in with humility if comparison is going to be the thing that our eyes are offering our soul. Right? If I look around like the the Pharisee like I'm so glad I'm not like these sinners. And um I mean there's no
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there's no it's not calling attention to like yeah you should be a sinner and God would accept you. It's the it's the comparison that the Pharisees offering that now has clouded his soul, his heart to receive um received uh receive God, receive justification, receive his spirit, receive right, receive the goodness that God is offering, the transformation, >> right? >> And um and the the tax collector has has no has no issue with uh I don't care how you see me. I'm
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really this is me and God. and others will see it and I don't care. Um because if I show up in this way with God, uh I I feel held. I feel I feel seen. Um and he and he welcomes me in. We just talked about this this morning like that that's the kind of God he is. And that's what we read in in all throughout scripture and especially in this one um that he welcomes us when we're willing to come with with him um and and seek his face. And when we have that kind of person in this life face to
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face and we can enter in that are willing to receive us, not to not to not to offer us a quick fix or or in some of those spaces, just just sit with me. I don't I don't know what's going on or or it's hard or is this a season of of lament or burden unburdened in some way. Um how how much more we see God show up? And that that draws me back to the pre previous weeks of the widow who um in that parable Jesus is reminding him like look this widow still got justice from the judge. How much
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more >> right >> will God care for you his chosen people? And so again, these are like markers or points or pieces that points me back to God. And I had this conversation after church on Sunday uh of these two who I was talking the two these two I was talking with and they have a friendship and we were talking about how in that friendship do you see how this points to the goodness of God and how much more will he hold you in these spaces? If you have a friend uh who will also enter into these spaces uh not not necessarily
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knowing they know what to do or to fix, but they're willing to be there present with you, sit with you. It's like Job and his not the three well the at first the three friends. >> Yeah. Not the not later on they it goes south quickly but >> the first seven days or whatever it is like or three days would you sit with me? I don't I don't fully grasp what this is but will you sit with me as I desire to be in the presence of God? Yeah. Yeah. And in that and we we've had this
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conversation multiple times, but um so when you have a friendship or or a relationship like that where you can um you can show up in that way and with that kind of honesty and it points you towards like okay then how much more would God >> um like and and all those things are true. Also what I know what I know is true is in those moments in those spaces um I walk away the the the relationship gets deeper um in in the the human relationship, right? So um in those spaces where I'm able to show up and
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like this is where I'm at and it's not it's not necessarily pretty or this is not the normal fun joyful whatever in in those spaces where it's met with um like that's okay. I'm gonna sit here with you or whatever, the relationship gets deeper because there's an authenticity, there's an honesty, a humility of like this is where I'm at. Um, and if that's true, >> yeah, >> again, of the human relationship, and that's the piece with God, we show it way. Well, and I
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shared this on Sunday because this uh it it felt like this is what he was showing me Saturday night in the middle of worship of um all all week long I had this sense that he was like reminding me to just be held. Would you just just Yes. Your soul is heavy. Your soul is tired. Would you just be held this week? I I'll I will hold you. Um, which is beautiful and like uh maybe easier said than done sometimes, but like okay, we're I'm working this week to like yes, let go of these things and just be held
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God. But on Saturday night, um, in the middle of worship, this image of like, um, when you climb onto the lap of the father, when your kids are little and they climb into your lap and you're just holding them and I don't know, my kids used to like touch my face and like I don't know what they were doing, but touch my face or like, you know, uh, there's a closeness and in that >> Well, they were trying to read your your emotions on your face. They are there. So, they were >> Yeah, that's like super easy. They don't
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need to touch >> braille. Braille for the face. >> No >> for the human emotion. >> Okay. But no, this is very clear. This is very >> whether I want it to be or not. It's very clear. Nobody needs to touch to figure that out. Um but that but that idea the image the image that I had was like if you will climb in my lap um you will be close enough to feel my face to to know me in an intimate way that you you don't know if you're not being held um in this kind of like I have nothing
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else left just hold me. that that melting into kind of a like settling into kind of a holding. >> Um, >> and so even in that is like that I guess that that idea of like if I want to look like Jesus and be formed and shaped like Jesus, um, I have to know him and I have to know him really well. And the more I get to know who God is, um, the more I get to know the image that I was created in and and so then the more I get to be shaped and formed and and look like that. Um, but that requires a humility
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that says I'm actually going to have to climb into your lap. I cannot like this is where I'm at. >> Yeah, cuz comparison will put the lid on it, right? Like we had the I had a Play-Doh thing. Comparison will be the lid on top of that container, >> right? >> I'm good. I'm not I'm I'm better than that. I mean, if we offer comparison, I'll always find somebody worse off than me. >> Like I told you yesterday, it could be worse. Could have ants in your pants.
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>> Okay. Yeah. And I was like, actually, the thing that we were talking about, I was like, I don't know if ants in my pants is worse. I think I might take that. Pretty bad. Um, I've never had that, so maybe it's terrible. I don't know. Um, but the end of So, so, okay, the lid on the container for T. Yeah, we both used object lessons of whatever. Um, play-doh, clay, whatever. The lid on the container. Yeah, that's it's comparison. Or it's it's anything else that blocks
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me from a true honesty, right? So, it might be comparison. It might be self-p protection or preservation like yeah if I open this container up I am raw and vulnerable and that could be painful. Um, so let me put this lid on and just present what I'd like to present or control how much I'd like to uh present to you. >> Like the tax collector like I got to go back to work tomorrow and be taking people's money uh collecting people's money. Uh and they're going to be like I
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saw you at the temple yesterday, >> dude. I saw you beating your chest. What are you doing? >> That look weird. >> Right. Right. Yeah. So there's this so whatever anything that puts a lid on and that's the I guess that was the other piece for me is the reminder that like in this process in this journey of formation God is not asking me to transform myself um and thank God because I actually can't do that right that's the like that's the Paul like I do what I don't want to do and I can't
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do what I want to do and like that like we uh actually go asking me to do the transformative work he's asking me to be humble to be honest, to be open to his spirit doing that work in me. And if the lid is on because of comparison or because of self-p protection or because of any other reason, pride, whatever. If that lid is on, then he doesn't have access. I'm blocking the access of like God's like, I'd like to transform you and I'd like to enter into that place. I'd like
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to fill you in those places, but you have to let me in. And that comes from a posture of humility. >> Yeah. Yep. Well, as we wrap up this conversation, uh what's the chyros? What's God been saying? Uh and how is he inviting you to respond? Um I my chyros from from Sunday is the posture piece, the presence. Uh that it doesn't matter my heart heart posture before God. Uh and that am I aware am I aware of the heart heart posture I have when I come before God or in every space actually honestly. Uh and
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um and that's the recognition that God's doing a work in me is that when I have a heart posture that is um one of humility and a desire for God to fill and transform, there's a difference. And I can tell it. I can tell a difference. And likely other people around me can also tell a difference. Um because I can also recognize in moments where my heart heart posture is it's hardened. Um you know, it's like the play-doh that that dries out. it just it just gets brittle and um it's not very pliable anymore for
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God's hands for the for the potter. And so I can tell the difference. I can tell where uh and so posture matters. I guess that's the chyros that I I sense God inviting me into is uh my heart posture does matter and am I aware of what that posture is in in every moment spaces with God, spaces with with people um all together, wherever it happens to be. um being aware of the heart heart posture because it matters. >> Yeah. Um so similarly um the the coming out of Sunday and into the week um this idea of being
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tenderhearted which is different language for I think even in a lot of ways the same thing that you're saying um uh somebody had texted me after Sunday um because they were reading or God they they felt like God had pointed them to Ephesians 4 30 32 something like that. Um yeah, which is this reminder to be kind to each other, tender-hearted, forgiving one another just as God has forgiven you. And in that same day that morning, I had been in in First Peter 3, which also says, "Be tender-hearted and keep a
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humble attitude." Um before it says, "Bless the people who insult you." Um but this idea of of being tenderhearted. Um because even in some of the heaviness of last week for me in those spaces where I'm like ah my heart is tired or weary there's a tendency for a hardening not not towards God necessarily but this this protective shell of like okay my heart feels heavy or hurt or like it's hurting so I'm going to put something around it a lid on it whatever. Um and so that reminder of like part of
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humility is keeping your heart tender. Um tender towards the people around you, tender towards the the world and even the brokenness, but also tender towards God, which is that um like if your heart is tender, then then that allows you to like yeah, come and be held. Um and so uh heart posture maybe that's the same. It's it's the same kind of thing, but specifically that word of like what's it look like to be tenderhearted. Um, and the way that first that Peter ties that to humility, um, keeping a humble
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attitude, being tender-hearted is essentially it's like, um, I'm going to show up with a vulnerability, an openness, a tenderness that that does mean I could get hurt here. And so I'm going to trust God to hold and carry um if that is what happens. Um and that feels like humility that this kind of honest humility of like this could hurt. This could hurt, but I'm going to trust you, God, that if it does, you're going to catch me or hold me or whatever. >> But um it feels like another layer
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>> getting peeled away here. It was this thing before. It is still that thing, but here's another layer to that. >> Yeah, >> it's good. It >> was good. >> Well, guys, thanks for being with us on this episode of Beyond Sunday. We we hope and pray that your conversations are going Beyond Sunday at varying levels of depth. Um maybe some of the conversations are super deep. Uh maybe some of them um are are less so, and that's okay. But as God lead you, we pray and trust and hope uh that your
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conversations are going to be on Sunday. So have a great week.
