Beyond Sunday S2: Jesus as the Fulfillment of the Law
Jesus came not to abolish the Law but to fulfill it. The law was given so that humanity can be a place where God dwells. Jesus shows us what it looks like to follow the law with the heart of the Father. When we walk in this way we are the salt of the earth and the light of the world- a people defined by God with us.
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Hey guys, welcome to another episode of the Beyond Sunday podcast where we desire to take the conversation deeper. Uh my name is Devin and I'm joined with my friend Shrea. How are you doing today? >> Good, thanks. How are you? >> I'm great. >> Nice. >> All right. Before we dive into the conversation, take a look at this video. Heat up here. All right, guys. Welcome back. So, Devin, uh, tell us where we were at this week. What was our our big idea? What were the scriptures, the text we were
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in? >> Yeah. Uh, the big idea on this week of coming to the tail end of the Epiphany season is that uh the law is fulfilled through Jesus. So, we were in um uh Matthew 5 again. Last week was the biatitudes. this one uh the the finished part of that in Matthew 5 of salt and light but also Jesus's statement to the crowd that he has not come to uh abolish the law but to fulfill it. Um and then that for for us let us uh uh to finish or or to bring in Isaiah 58 which is uh talking about this the fast that they
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were observing but some of the things that were existing in there that were not obedient or um offered a sort of transformed heart as well as the uh observing Sabbath uh and or not observing Sabbath I think is maybe more um accurate to what Isaiah is bringing out in in 58. >> Yeah. Yeah. Um we were in those same places but but kind of flip-flopped for us. And this felt a little bit like a part two um from last week for for us here. Um last week we were talking about uh the way that Jesus revealed righteousness
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and uh how oftentimes we've we've conflated righteousness with religion. Um but Jesus actually shows us something different in that and that uh when we use the ways that we've been blessed to bless um those around us or for the prosperity of the places that we've been uh planted that that um God calls that righteous. So seeking justice, loving mercy, walking humbly with him. Um and so this felt like an echo of that or a a continuation of that in the ways that we understand the laws and like why we
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follow um the laws. And so, uh, we started, we we went back to Micah 6:8 from last week or 66 6 through8 from last week. Um, and that led us into Isaiah 58 because there's an echo in both of those spaces. This idea of like, God, we're giving you this thing, sacrifice, this, you know, our fasting or whatever. We're giving this to you. Why aren't you responding the way we want you to kind of idea? Aren't you pleased with us? Um, and God calls out in both of those spaces like the heart
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posture is wrong. Um, so that's where we started. We were also at tables this Sunday. So, every so often, um, we do church around the table, uh, just as a a space to kind of, uh, mix things up a little bit, but what it what it allows for is, uh, more of a conversation and a wrestling through what God's saying in the moment instead of me offering something that they get to go chew on throughout the rest of the week. We get to kind of do that in that space. And so, that's where we started uh, with
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Micah and with Isaiah 58. And the question of like, what is it that you're bringing to the altar? So, um what >> in this space either in our our emotions and like are are we being honest with God where we're at, but also like um are we checking boxes off that we've decided are like these are the good things to do? Um and then expecting like God, aren't you so pleased with that? Um without giving him actually our hearts and and so that's that's where we started. >> Yeah. Yeah. It so much sounds um similar
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where the sense even too of the like that Isaiah 58 brings out that we're having we're doing this fast. Why doesn't God hear us? And how often or in what places does that currently exist now where we're doing a thing uh uh a spiritual practice or uh I would even attach it to a a ministry something where we're thinking like God aren't you here? Aren't you a part of this? uh where are you? We're doing this thing and so why are you not hearing our cries or attuned to us? And even what Isaiah
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is offering in in that text is like uh here's what God here's the fast that I would want, right? It isn't more sacrifices. It isn't more uh oil. Um actually, I just I want your heart. I I I want you to care. I want you to care for uh and be with me in my presence. But also, if that's the if that's the desire, then here's what that looks like. That looks like uh seeing the needs of others, recognizing that there is injustice and um being people that doesn't doesn't just continue on with
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with how you already live anyway, right? Even Isaiah 58 talks like it talks about how there was arguing and quarreling and dissension among them even in the midst of the fast. Like, how is this a fast that honors God? How is this a fast that actually the presence of God would want would want to be a part of? Um, and that's where I, you know, even in in today's day, in our time here in the present, what are the things that exist for us where we're uh stepping in? It's like, God, why don't you hear our cry?
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And it's like, God replying, why would I be there? Why would it be in the midst of that if if this is what's existing? Uh, your heart, you know, you're you're doing this practice, but your hearts are far from me. >> Right. Yeah. because we've made the practice or the program or the ministry or whatever the end goal. >> Yeah. >> Um and I think that was the >> that's an echo um from the week before. That's also uh some of what we were in yesterday and and just in other spaces
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is like do we recognize and in fact I we were even talking about this a little bit yesterday morning. But do we recognize the the the presence is the blessing and that's the goal and and the presence being like relationship with God. Do I recognize that that's the thing? like is that the thing I desire more than anything else? Um because if that's true, then what I understand about the practices or even the way we do church, what the what that should be is that that those things should create
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a space where I get to meet the father. Um and and you know, clear out the clutter, quiet the noise, uh create intentional space, whatever. And so those practices are good for that. But if I've if I've made the practice the goal like I want to be a really good Sabbathke keeper or I want to be you know we were we were talking about it on practicing the way last week uh do in the fasting practice of like the goal is not hey I fasted 50 52 times this year and like look at me go I'm a weekly
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faster um the goal is like do I recognize that when I do this and if I will humble my spirit if I'll submit my body in this way I actually get to meet God it creates space for me to meet God and to be in his presence in a way that I otherwise don't um or that I might miss. And so the with with all of the laws, that's what I think had ended up happening, but it happens for us, too. And we we're like, okay, we've got to do these things. And God's like, I just want you. I want your heart.
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>> Mhm. Yeah. And And how often are we like, but I've I've done this really good thing. I've I've kept the I've kept the law or I've I've practiced this thing so well. um you know, aren't you pleased with that? And while at the same time, uh I'm even going back to to Isaiah, like have I have I cared for my neighbor? Have I loved um uh my neighbor? Have I seen where there is hurting that exists around me? And have I and have I done anything about it? Have I stepped into
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it? Um in that sense, especially in that sense of fasting, which um for me has been one of those ways in which uh we and we did talk about this in our our fasting practice with the group about the aligning aligning my entire being, my my body, my soul, my mind in alignment with with God. That that ought to give me eyes to see the world the way that God sees the world, right? the the hurt that is there, the those that are marginalized, those are uh individuals who God's bringing, you know, in in
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um in my view here, >> right? >> Here is someone or here here are those that I've asked you to to care for and to love. >> Yeah. Yeah. Which is why Yeah. Um, one of the things that was landing was like if if the Israelite people, if God's people uh had actually understood the purpose of the law and and walked it out well, they would have looked like Jesus. And that reminded me, and we've I know we've talked about this on the podcast, but it reminds me of the story
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that Marty uh talks about in Bay with his friend Moshe, that's like uh if the Messiah is here, >> this is what I would expect to see. Um and and there's a wrestle, there's a tension for this man who's like I it when the Messiah comes, it's supposed to usher in a period of the kingdom breaking through and I should see some restoration in big ways and I should see some of the brokenness uh be removed and how often as Christians we are like we're just going to follow these rules
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and these religion these religious laws, many of which are actually like secondary things that we that that have been put in place as like barriers, right? Um and and so we're just going to follow these things instead of understanding or recognizing like the law is actually to bring us in closer to the father. And when we do that, we actually will be about the business of restoring the brokenness because that's what he's doing and that's where we find him. >> Um and so that even that idea of like
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>> what would it look like if we were following God's laws and rules and commands? Well, it would look like Jesus. And Jesus uh Jesus was disruptive to the empire that existed at the time. And so we would we should be also for disruptive both for the uh those who were not God's chosen people, but also for those who uh had taken empire and dressed it up as kingdom is is how I don't know that always lands for me. For the religious leaders of the time, Jesus was disruptive. >> Yeah. Yeah. Uh that brings to mind a
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conversation I had last night um with uh we had a a game, a basketball game. And so I was talking with um the principal uh at the school we were at. I I've um she used to be here in the area and then went and now is principal at another school. And so I had a chance to just talk with her as she was there cheering on uh the the kids playing in in the game before ours. And uh one of the things we were talking about because I guess yesterday was a day in which uh students gathered um downtown uh so
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student body from the middle school, student body from the high school gathered uh downtown in their city um as a as a as a form of protest and protest what's currently going on and where things that they they're seeing that they don't like. Anyway, so um u she was asking, you know, like did our school did do the same and and um we it didn't happen. So anyway, she just talking about like um the conversation she's had with with um these middle school students who um like see the see in the world that they
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see through their eyes. what what is it that they see and where is it that they're they're stirred up or bothered or have a concern and um in some ways that concern comes out like in protest where they spray paint in the bathroom. >> Mhm. And um she goes, "Who what is you know talking to these students and like um who is it that you're trying to get attention?" Because in this way you're getting my attention. >> Mhm. >> And and vandalism. But if you're wanting
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to get the attention of like how our our uh our our world or how our our our country is um uh dealing with certain things like this is only getting my attention. >> Yeah. you have a voice and you are welcome to use it. Um, in fact, we live in a country in which you can. Um, and so talking through the ways in which it looks to to share your voice to be a voice for uh if you're sensing or seeing injustice to call call it out and and have a and you have a voice there. Um but in in ways that it looks like yeah
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if we're just going to spray paint in the bathroom um that's not using our voice in a way that's actually um now vandalism and uh I'm not sure what you're wanting to communicate to the wider world of you have an issue but there are places in which you can do that and um and and so that even the the question of like well can I then go downtown after school and with the rest of these students and be a part of this rally and she goes Yes. Yes, you can. Absolutely. Um, but the the way the conversation then
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evolved into this like I think for for me the the wrestle the question to wrestle with is God what does it look like to be to live righteously to to embody Jesus and and and going back to God's statement to Cain. If you do what is right, will you not be accepted? The our conversation evolved back into this. Like I think that's the conversation that's worth wrestling about cuz everything else we talk about then only sits at the surface, right? What are injustice we see in the world? What are the what are the the struggles
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or the systems of sin or that all sits at the surface? Everyone sees it. But if we're having the conversation of like in ways that God's convicted me >> to embody his presence and nature into this world, now we're having a conversation of how of the the righteousness of Christ in me and through me into this world. >> Yeah. Well, and we've had a few conversations that that feels like an echo of a few conversations you and I have had even recently. Um, and I can't remember if if some of that was on the
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podcast or not, but um, even around service like we were talking about last week and bec because so often what we what we tend to do is everything feels so big and so heavy. How do I be righteous in this world in 2026? How do I solve this problem? Or yeah, I'm going to pick >> any of these things. They're they're way too big. Um, and they're so big that they can be paralyzing or crippling, right? So then I can't do anything. This is too much. It's too big. It's too heavy.
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Um, and I don't I don't know. I guess for me it that lands in a space of like, well then doesn't evil win? Is that not like >> it doesn't actually even have to get us to do anything wrong if he can just paralyze us or immobilize us because it feels too big? Um, and and so the idea of quietly living a life that's shaped like Jesus and asking the question for me and and I don't know, it's even dialing it back to like I don't even have to necessarily ask God, what does my life
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overall? What do you want that to look like? But in this moment, in this space right now, what would it look like for me to be shaped like Jesus in this way? Yeah. Um, and if that's that's so like that feels so simple, but if in every space I'm stepping into or showing up, God, I want to look like you in this place, in this conversation I'm about to have, when I go through the checkout line at the store, um, when I have to make this phone call, like in every space, what would it look like to
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look like you here? And actually, again, if we dial that back a step further, what that means is I actually have to spend enough time with him that I know the answer to that. like, okay, I've spent so much time with you and this is where this all is such it's all connected and such an echo, but the mannerisms like I've spent so much time with God that some of that starts to naturally come out and I don't have to like wrestle with the question of like what would it look like to be Jesus in
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this space. I already know because that's what what exists in me because I've spent so much time with him. >> Yeah. Doesn't it doesn't it even answer the question in that kind of way to what Jesus ends that portion of Matthew 5 with with which is like um unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law uh you'll not inherit to the kingdom of heaven. And it's like that the they knew the law and they followed it but they didn't have a heart that was attuned to
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to the father. They they were follow following the letter of the law but not the heart of it. So when Jesus starts healing and doing things on the Sabbath, which is against the law, uh not against uh the the ten commandments, but against the law that they had created as fence posts around it. Now they're like, you are you are a sinner. You're a lawb breaker. Um they had they had they had followed the letter law, but missed the heart of the father. >> Yeah. Yeah. which so we ended with
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Jeremiah 31 uh 33-34 which says this is the new covenant I'll make with my people with the people of Israel after those days I'll put my instructions deep within them and I will write them on their hearts I will be their God and they will be my people and they will not need to teach their neighbors nor will they need to teach their relatives saying you should know the Lord for everyone from the least to the greatest will know me already and I will forgive their wickedness and never again
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remember their sins and that idea of um >> even this this phrase of like Jesus actually what he's inviting is an internal transformation, not external confirmation and or conformity. Um, and and so often with the law, that's what we're doing. Like, I've conformed, I've decided I want to be a Christian, and so I've conformed to the religion, the way that that looks. I go to church on Sundays. I might tithe. Maybe I'm involved in a ministry, whatever. Um, but if I haven't changed the internal
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piece, which is actually the abundant life invitation Jesus offers. Yeah. And first of all, I'm going to fall short of that conformity every time. And in doing that, I like I have to think through that every time. Okay, what are the rules I'm supposed to follow? What are the things I can and can't do? And I've missed the space where I get to actually have God's law written on my heart, right, >> in a way that changes me from the inside out. >> Yeah. Yeah. which is where our
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conversation uh ended yesterday with uh the principle of um I had made the statement like we've seem to have lost the ability to see the imago day in in people the image of God on all people and um and and she made the statement of like yeah and and many of those that she's talking with don't believe uh what we believe don't believe that there's a god and that there and and that Jesus, his son, came to earth to to save us, save us from our sins, give us a way back to God, give us um now become our our um
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mediator, goes before God um on our behalf. Um that and I was like, yes. And if the world has any hope to know that there's a God that love them, loves them, we we have to live this out. >> Yeah. We have to live it out in such a way that that we see the IMO day in people around us that that we recognize that you were made in the image of God. Now, how you may be living out your life or things going on may not be representative of the image of God, but you you yourself is as a created being
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here living on earth are made in the image of God, >> right? >> And can I can I in a relationship uh call attention to that? or in my own life, can I move from this like you talked about this external compliance like I'm following the letter of the law. I know what I'm supposed to be doing to an internal alignment that actually it's Christ in me that helps me live this kind of way. Empowering me to live the the the life that's obedient to the father. Not because I I've like I've
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checked the boxes, but because there's such a a desire within me to be aligned to the father, to be in right relationship with him. Uh because I delight in that and he delights in me. Do I do I is there am I recognizing that there's both and in that he delights to be with me. He so wants to be with us in the way that I want to have delight to be with him. >> Yeah. And and will I choose will I be transformed in such a way that I choose to see people that I see the IMO day in people even if
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they never >> conform >> conform or change correct >> because that's what I don't know that it baffles me how often we as followers of Jesus uh it's like we expect the world around us who doesn't know Jesus to have externally ally uh conformed or whatever to these ways and and so we're appalled. Well, they don't act like and it's like they don't Yeah, but they don't know Jesus. So why why is that the expectation and why is that the like that we we argue with that like well the
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other side and it doesn't actually matter what sidere either way the other side and like okay but isn't that like I don't know isn't that something we even tell our kids like when the boys are doing something and and they get in trouble and it's like well he and I'm like I don't I don't care I'm talking to you right now you're responsible for your actions this is like such base level and so for us as followers of Jesus the expectation that the world around us would actually look like the
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kingdom when they actually haven't met Jesus and the heart transformation hasn't taken place doesn't make any sense unless what we're also doing is just conforming externally and we also haven't found that transformation that allows us to like step into a world of brokenness that is going to I mean how many times we're reading first and second Peter regularly right how many times is Peter talking about the suffering we're going to experience for Jesus like do we recognize like that I
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only hold up under that if it's an internal transformation. Yeah. Because I know like that I've got God's spirit in me. I've got Jesus walking, working through me, transforming me. That's the only space that that works. >> Well, in the Jeremiah 31, God's going to do that. People who are have the law written on their hearts and are and are in community in that way, God's going to do that. I'm responsible for myself. But there is something about the community
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piece in which God brings together that helps us to walk this out faithfully. Right? So if I'm trying if I am doing this on my own and I don't have uh faithful followers of Jesus who are around with me to uh ask the accountable questions to wrestle um of like well in this way what does it look like? What does righteousness look like? Right? to have those kinds of of conversations to wrestle that out to say hey I maybe I'm not seeing the IMO day in people in this way. Um there is something about uh the
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community piece that we come around. Um and the example that comes to mind is even in in the basketball team I'm coaching. Um uh you know we we've got we we've got gotten to a place where it's like you have got to cover for one another. if you are only concerned on defense and I realize I'm I'm going to offer a sports analogy. So I'm I am I'm going to walk you through this. >> I'm following >> but in in the ways on defense that if you're only concerned with one player,
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there are four other there are four other players um on the court um 10 in total, five and five. And so if you are one person and like I only have number 10, number 10's the player that I have and as long as I'm just taking care of number 10, that's all I have to worry about. Well, that's not actually how it works in basketball. There's something it's called team defense. And in fact, you have to cover for one another. You have to help each other. If someone gets beat, are you the closest man there to
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help them? That's the piece where it's like in this way, how do we walk this out together? I can't only be concerned with myself. I have to in community with fellow believers say, "Hey, I'm here with you to walk with you as you are walking with me in ways that I need um counsel or help or just a a friend to sit with and pray with. I'm here with that." And in in the same way, I return that I am here in this kind of way that that's what this community looks like.
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That if we want to um see that see Jeremiah 31 take place, it isn't just me. I actually have to be together in community to ask these questions to uh walk this out together. >> Yeah. To to remind one another of what's true about God when we when other voices get loud, right? And so >> in those spaces where inevitably because life is hard and Jesus told us it would be in those spaces where um >> yeah, where maybe we've forgotten or maybe we're wrestling with like uh what
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is true. I need I do need those people around me to speak truth and don't forget what God said. Don't forget who you know him to be. But those people are people who follow Jesus. My if I'm expecting the world around me to offer that no >> that's so misguided. And that's what we've done I I think so often uh throughout history is that we've created this expectation like we actually want the systems and the policies around us to just hold that straight for us. It
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doesn't cost me as much actually. Then I don't have to get into the mess of it, the wrestle of it. Let's just make the rules look like that, which is some of what the Pharisees did in the first place. >> Yeah. And isn't that what Jesus is calling out, right? It's in is like, I haven't come to abolish this these laws. I've come to fulfill it. Now, I I do wonder if Jesus is actually offering uh all of the laws that are in the in in the Torah of how there's or if it's the
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commands. >> It's the ten commandments. I've not come to abolish this. So, okay. So, what I read was that when Jesus says u anytime that law and prophets is together, because it's not this is uh this specific verse in Matthew 5 is not the only place that this is called out. Anytime law and prophets are together, the Hebrew people would have heard the entirety of the Old Testament, their entire Bible. >> Yeah. >> And so, in that um because that does change this a little bit. Uh Jesus
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ultimately is like not only talking about these laws or commands. Like this is not just the 613 Levitical laws. It's not just the ten commandments. What he's saying is like I'm the fulfillment like I have come to make full every part of this Hebrew Bible that you have that helps you understand who God is and who you are and what the world's supposed to look like. I've come to fill every part of that full. Um, and and so in doing that, what I've done is I've given you
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this um like I I've displayed the intent of these laws. I've shown you what it looks like. I've filled the places you'll never be able to fill that you weren't able to fill. >> And I've shown you what it looks like to walk this out. Um, and that is beyond just like following the laws. That's where that that heart piece of like do we recognize that all of scripture is actually part of this story where God's showing us what it looks like to be his people, to be humanity
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the way he designed us to be. >> Yeah. To walk and to live with God, to walk and to live with others. Right. If if if Jesus is questioned about what's the greatest command, it's like it's the shama. It's love God with your um uh heart, mind, soul, and strength. And then he goes in the second is like it. Love your neighbor as yourself. Um, so in in pairing that together, if all the laws and commands hang on this, >> yeah, >> here's how I'm Jesus being the one who
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is going to help us to to to live and to walk with God and to live and to walk with others. >> Well, and not just the laws and the commands because that's the phrase he uses there is the same thing, law and prophets. So if everything that we know is the people he's talking to at that time their their compass, their guide is the Hebrew Bible. Everything that they know and understand about who God is, who who they are and the way the world works exists in the Hebrew Bible. And what Jesus is saying is that all of that
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hangs on these two things. Love God with all your heart, soul, and mind. Love your neighbors as yourself. That only makes sense when we understand that the law was given so that God's people could dwell with him. like it was made to create a shape that says now my presence can once again dwell with you the way I designed it to be in the first place. Um and so it isn't it's not a getting rid of any of that. It's a filling full of all of it. >> Right. Yeah. As you as you just Yeah.
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already mentioned. Yeah. He has come so that all this would be full and life abundant. Right. This is he's he's come to offer this. >> Yeah. >> All right. As we wrap up this uh episode, um what what would you say is a Chyros? what are you hearing from God and uh how are you being invited to respond? >> Yeah. Uh this is landing for me just right now in this conversation again and it's an this is an echo um of the reminder that uh I don't want to get too far out ahead of myself. And so, um,
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right now in this moment and in this day, in every space I sit in, what's it look like for me to, uh, be shaped like Jesus in the way I show up? Um, and not not get not get so far out ahead of myself that it's paralyzing or overwhelming or that I t uh, the other thing that happens, at least for me, um, the further out I get, the more I tend to put my own like here's probably how this should look. here's probably how I could fix this. Here's probably how I and I intend to put myself into it or
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try to take control of it. And so the reminder of like uh stepping back and asking like am I spending so much time with God? Am I abiding well? So that that's what comes out of me. Um when the world bumps into me, it's the God's spirit that comes out. And then in in each moment, I'm not asking what my life as a whole needs to look like, but right now in this moment, what's it look like to be Jesus in the space I'm showing up in? >> Yeah. Yeah. For me, um, the chyros is a
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combination of the questions I ended with. Uh, one of them is, do my spiritual practices reflect the heart of God or just my habits? And, um, and then the second question is, my obedience shaped by fear, duty, or delight. And, and there's something in there. I'm wrestling with of okay Lord what is the you've gotten my attention here. I'm I'm still sitting in these questions um and pondering uh yeah, do my spiritual practices reflect the heart of God or just a habit? Like this is just
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something I do, but I don't quite have um there isn't the heart transformation or the uh the example I used was like shifting a fast day 12 hours from where it currently sits on a Monday to a to a a Tuesday uh midday to a Wednesday midday. That that totally threw me off. It's like I'd never fasted before. my body didn't know was going on. Um versus a Wednesday that had become um over the last number of years has become such a a predictable pattern. My body no longer uh responds in the same kind of way that
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then I I wonder am I am I mindful that God's with me? If fasting is is meant to make me more attuned to the presence of God, am I has it become a habit and where I'm less attuned? And what other spaces or habits in my life am I less attuned to the presence of God when initially when I started them were meant so that I could I I would sense his presence more >> and and so that's a I don't have a lot of answers there. I I'm I'm doing a lot of searching and uh discerning God what
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is it if fasting is one of those that came to mind even on Sunday. what other spaces have just become habits um or practices but really don't offer a heart transformation or I'm attuned to his presence with me. And then the last the other one is my obedience, shape, I fear, duty or delight of like and and this is also some of my upbringing or just as a kid growing up in the church honestly like here's what you need to do. Go do that. just do this and do it the right way to um am I obeying God out
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of delight. Right? The thought of delight um in obeying God would be a delight as growing up as a kid and maybe this is just the nature of being a a delinquent child uh who is all kinds of trouble for his parents. The thought of like obedience and delight and always share the same plane >> within my soul. Mhm. >> But there is something that that's where I'm caught on that question. There is something here of like actually I do I desire to be obedient and I desire for there to be delight in that obedience.
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Um because that's that sounds like the goodness of God, >> right? Yeah. >> So still I don't I don't think I've got to like what am I going to do about it? But it's just some mining out there. those questions are sticking for me and discerning what and what are those areas um that I'm not attuned to his presence and then also where is it that obedience is has not been a delight and why. >> Yeah, it's good. >> It's good stuff. >> Yeah. Hey guys, thanks for listening in
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and being with us on this episode. Uh we hope and pray that your conversations are going beyond Sunday in uh what you heard in this one. Uh I think we were all over the place. Australia. Um, but this is this is kind of how it goes in these conversations as we go beyond Sunday of what God is still stirring in our hearts. And so we hope and pray that you too um are uh God stirring in your heart and soul and that you are having conversations that go beyond Sunday. So have a great week.
